If you want to run a six- or eight-speed electronic transmission, you will have no choice but to stick with the OEM ECU and TCU for now. This page was generated at 07:50 PM. Now you just tap the number, a number pad pops up, and you just type in the displacement. {&5iUPu%0RoH If Turbo or Supercharger is selected, then the WOT selection specifies "At 0 PSI Boost" and then asks a new question, "How much timing retart per boost PSI?" ), Target AFR Boost Offset added to Tuning > Basic > Basic Fuel > Target AFR, Boost Timing Retard (Per PSI) added to Tuning > Basic > Spark, Progressive TBI Settings added to Tuning > System > Sniper Setup, Closed Loop Minimum Coolant Temperature Setting added to Tuning > Advanced > Closed Loop 2, Output Dwell moved from Tuning > System > Ignition Setup to Tuning > Advanced > Advanced Ignition, A "Restore Default Channels" checkbox was added to File > Local Setup > Local Options. Easier than you think! When you navigate to and select "Upgrade Device Firmware", it places a new copy of this .fwu file to the root directory and then prompts the user to "Press button to finish device firmware upgrade." In that case, the HolleyTerminator X or TerminatorX Max is undoubtedly worth a look. Firmware updates are usually just for compatibility with new devices. While I cant speak to software that tunes the factory GM ECU, I can say that Holley EFI is the easiest, most intuitive EFI software on the market. Holley Terminator X MAX engine management systems let you take control of your domestic V8 engine. I think this may have been a "whoops" and was immediately superseded by 1.1.25. Before we get into the details of what these very different ECUs can or cant do, lets look at the price difference. If you have a boosted application, you are looking at $500 for a standard tune, explained Rance. The scan tool will display a low voltage when the throttle plate is at rest. I had the opposite situation with my build. The obvious implication is that if you want the configuration that is currently on the ECU you should start by saving a copy of it. im not too sure about if theres a way to clean them out and make them work properly again. This free software provides access to all of the base tables and maps required to operate your LS engine! % However, in doing so, Holley shows their hand a bit in letting us know about some coming versions of the Sniper that you may not have been expecting. It turns out that Holley put a second copy of the .fwu file into the /HOLLEY/FW0101 (/HOLLEY/FW0100) directory. Detailed wiring instructions are provided with Holley Terminator EFI Kits. The throttle position sensor (TPS) has been redesigned for the throttle-by-wire. Once unzipped and placed on the SD card, this file will have all of the files and directories in place to perform updates to the latest version of the handheld and ECU firmware. Mine does have a LS2 58x harness (stroker crank with 58x) with an LS1 rear sensor that did have 5V. Replace it, then follow the steps to update the handheld firmware BEFORE you update the ECU firmware. We'll send you the most interesting LSX Magazine articles, news, car features, and videos every week. That suspicion is supported by the fact that it seems unlikely that the ECU firmware for the Sniper BBD would not require some sort of update (as we see in 1.1.25.). Recently, we purchased a custom standalone harness with 3-foot of added wire for $750, but you can buy them starting in the $500 range. By our calculations, with Rance tuning an LS swap, it would cost around $895 for a naturally-aspirated setup and $1,150 for a boosted application, which puts it right at the Terminator X and Terminator X Max price points. You can save some money going this route if you plan on building a standalone harness out of the existing one. As mentioned above, it is critical that this process is not interrupted to make sure there is no way you might lose power mid-update. Rance said, MAF-based tuning is the best way to tune a vehicle. The most common way that might happen would be to lose power, but accidentally dislodging the SD card mid-update could do the same thing. Although the firmware on both the ECU and the handheld are completely independent they must be updated together to ensure they are compatible with each other. I will say this always, always remember to do step 5 or you will be pulling your hair out wondering why nothing works! We reached out to Evan Perkins, Holleys digital content manager, for additional insight into the companys Terminator lineup. I have also tried two different versions of the installer 1.1.3 and 1.0.4. All times are GMT-6. Thanks! In nearly every case there is no benefit to upgrading. Capability Range: Advanced Yes, there is a warning, which is good because this has the potential to be a bit dangerous if misused. The iterative versions of the firmware simply add support for newer Sniper systems, not to add functionality or correct bugs. In eariler versions the presence of an ignition advance was a bit misleading for those who were not configured to control ignition timing. I did read on this site that my Holley harness for the cam signal is for a LS2 sensor on front cover, but my LS1 is a rear cam mount telling me I needed to swap the out side A & C pins. +o;4q3Tci`eUjS:`ly}V;PAo|_6'"?r{NaFSW4vf omIH~J We explore editing techniques, tuning strategies, and break point rescaling to ensure the most successful results. 8 0 obj %PDF-1.5 The LS1 harness (558-102) provides +12V to the rear mount cam sensor as the original GM 24x ECU did. Holley's Terminator X provides lS swap enthusiasts and entry-level racers, a low-cost ECU platform, that's capable of controlling electronic fuel injection, drive by wire, electronic transmissions and much more. But this is quite a bit different from the comparison tool available for the HP and Dominator ECU's. Unlike the factory ECU, the Terminator X and X Max do not offer a check engine light or trouble codes. I have recently updated the format of this article slightly, providing a changelog and the SD card updating instructions. Only 6 left in stock - order soon. Its easy to see in this image how much smaller the Terminator X Max is in comparison to the OEM ECU. Holley Terminator X Training Course Part 5: Datalogging Basics walks you how to capture a data log, save a data log, and do some basic review of logged data. Unfortunately the handheld updates firmware seemingly okay. But that event is not courteous enough to say, "excuse me, Sniper operator, I'm about to occur so you need to go into Logging and start a data log." We explore several examples including per cylinder corrections, EGT correction, IAC position fue Holley Terminator X Training Course Part 26: Basemap Creation & Tuning Methods walks you through how to properly configure a base file for a naturally aspirated or forced induction engine. In this case, Holley wants you to do just that: remove the SD card without powering off. :-O. Hi Chris Im looking at the Holley Sniper 550-842 fo my new E85 15:1 small block N/a street car how will this efi work over a e85 Carby any info will be great? Removing the SD card will initiate a reboot. Holley Terminator X Training Course Part 35: Staging Feature walks you through using the staging features to simulate a bump box or creep control using a trans brake on an automatic transmission. Copyright 2017 Cyberspace Automotive Performance, Inc. All Rights Reserved. I just keep clicking "Ok" and when it's done it always works.Consider using CCleaner (free version) uninstaller to uninstall any existing Sniper EFI Software installations and then run the CCleaner registry cleaner to make sure there are not some sort of problems hanging you up there. lol.. I read step 5 and never did it. I get a "Searching for ECU" message in red at the bottom of the screen. The biggest problem with the factory ECU is the lack of safeguards. Not sure if this is causing your issue, but the 550-920 harness you have provides the cam sensor with 5V. Learn EFI engine tuning online with easy to follow video tutorials. ), 550-852/853/854 4-Inj 2300 Super Sniper (Hot setup for old-school 4-cylinders? Follow these steps: 1. 29 0 obj transmission control and more. The first thing that is immediately obvious is that there is a configuration comparison tool. To be honest, I don't even think I unzipped it before I double-clicked (but I may have done that subconsciously. Pretty cool, eh Canadian friends? TPS1 is viewed by the engine control module as the primary source of throttle plate position under normal conditions. For one, it runs inside the Sniper software. Copy the contents of the unzipped folder onto the SD car. Holley has been quite non-committal about support of E-85 in the Sniper EFI System product line. Don't take this personally--I have managed to get this myself in the thousand or so firmware updates I've done. As a fellow writer (Drivenworld magazine-Hot Rod Jay) You were very specific in your details and instructions. great job! Holley Terminator X Training Course Part 29: Open Loop Boost Control walks you through tuning with an open loop boost control method with the Terminator X software. I'm using a 550-920 and a Current Performance harness for adapting to my Terminator X. Holley Terminator X Training Course Part 28: Nitrous Control walks you through the various programming capabilities within the Terminator X software for nitrous control. Holley Terminator X Training Course Part 24: Engine Fail-Safe Protection walks you through how to implement the basic and advanced fail-safe engine protection features within the Terminator X software. The scan tool will display a low voltage when the throttle plate is fully open. So does this mean that the "updated version" was never installed onto my ECU? http://forums.holley.com/showthread.ents-Read-This, https://forums.holley.com/showthread5115#post65115, If this is your first visit, be sure to 3 0 obj The Terminator X Max includes everything you need to install the system on a vehicle. Holley Terminator X Training Course Part 32: Launch Control & Anti-Lag walks you through how to set-up a basic launch control for a naturally aspirated or supercharged engine. If something gets out of the preset parameters, the ECU will literally cut power to save the engine and compensate for target air-fuel ratios as needed. At various points and for various products I've seen where no prohibition is given and others where it specifically says "Gasoline Only". Spyder Garage How To: Holley TermS. Upon power-up, the handheld looks for a .fwu (firmware update) file at the root of the SD card directory. ), Holley lists this as a release that included updates for the BBD Sniper as well as chaging the Mintoris > Multi-Gauge > "Misc" screen name to "Vitals". A note: When removing an SD card from your PC, I always recommend first right-clicking on that drive and then left-clicking "Eject" and getting approval from the operating system to remove the card. Lets use nitrous, for example. It's a genuine GM part (assume so anyway). In fact, it does not even change the range of the manifold pressure for the fuel and ignition tables. All you need to do is order a Terminator X with a digital screen. If this is your first visit, be sure to 2. Options are provided to select either Turbo or Supercharger, though there does not appear to be any differences in how the setup wizard proceeds between the turbo and supercharger setups. The firmware does not need to be updated for you to make adjustments. Correct? x][~m&l 0VV NXApv,-fmVkK9/vgUcW_Mw}z}z7ayg?p526ozk>=+;h^p:9t`I4oR>]6_w4NEW,XJ?6S+qV GY;~_WH$u;O, |i%O$s&q>yf?;#vNFed1O? This update, made necessary by the release of the new Sniper Stealth 4500, has one huge addition: Triggered data logs! Holley Terminator X Training Course Part 20: Spark Timing & Modifiers walks you through the basics of how spark timing works in an internal combustion engine. Thanks for the compliment! Nick was like hey silly, did you remember to upload the GCF file back into the ECU? Erase the entire contents of the SD card. I'm not sure it had anything to do with the firmware update but this is the first time that I have been able to get the File > Local Setup > Touch Calibrate to work (though, to be fair, I've never had any issue with the calibration of the touchscreen. Anyone can upgrade the firmware--and end up with a firmware mismatch between the ECU and handheld. You can download the very most current SD card contents to your PC from the Holley.Com website. Excellent write up, extremely helpful. and then asks how much to retard the timing per pound of boost. When the firmware update is completed, the .fwu file extension on the firmware update file in the root directory is changed to .--- and the user is prompted to "Remove SD, reboot device". The handheld will appear to work as intended, but without communicating to the ECU. It's just the code that runs inside each device that allows it to operate. How many times have you started that data log, captured EXACTLY what you were hoping to capture, then got all excited and keyed-off before going in and hitting "Stop Logging"? I don't know how you wired it, so just throwing it out there. Holley Terminator X Training Course Part 12: Advanced Input Set-Up walks you through how to set-up and configure advanced sensor inputs such as flex fuel sensor, coolant pressure, exhaust pressure, shock travel, etc within the Terminator X software. Capability Range: Professional Allowing you full tuning access to the Terminator X and Terminator X MAX ECU. But a very powerful tool for those who can use it well. #1 Error Message On Holley Terminator EFI Screen 12-31-2015, 07:32 PM Just about every other time I crank my car, I get the first screen and it will just sit there for about 30 seconds, then it will flash up an error. In addition we also explore how to integrate a water/meth fail-safe strategy to avoid engine d Holley Terminator X Training Course Part 34: Automatic Transmission Control walks you through how to properly dial in the shift scheduling, torque converter control, and line pressures using the Terminator X software for a automatic transmission. (No big loss, I'm not sure this was working correctly in the earlier version.). Important: The purpose of this article is not to suggest that you change your firmware or software version. All rights reserved. Beyond that it robs you of some functionality. We promise not to use your email address for anything but exclusive updates from the Power Automedia Network. Holley EFI Terminator X Max Mpfi W/Trans & Dbw, Ls1. It may not display this or other websites correctly. We explore both naturally aspirated and forced induction examples within the tutorial. stream I called the tech support number and even though i did not purchase my system from them they were very willing to help. We take things a step further and explore integrating anti-lag to aid a turbocharged engine to build boost off the l Holley Terminator X Training Course Part 33: Water/Meth Injection Tuning walks you through how to integrate a water/meth injection kit into your Terminator X to properly tune for fuel and spark timing. check out the. Finally, the Monitors > Monitor > "Misc." Price Point: $$$. stream This parameter displays the voltage signal sent to the control module from the sensor used to monitor the position of the throttle plate. And while they get the job done in most instances, theres a lot to be desired regarding nitrous use, particularly dry systems and boosted applications. Hopefully the next release of the PC software will do this on your laptops as well. Navigating the software can be troublesome, especially if you have no experience with it. I purchased an 1986 Monte Carlo SS ZZ3 350 with a big cam. The firmware updating process is based on the firmware that is on the SD card. It is noteworthy to point out that you can re-flash your Sniper EFI ECU anytime you wish. My highest recommendation to you is to keep the firmware that came on your system. It just happens. A 1999-2015 Gen III and Gen IV tune starts at $320 for a mail-order tune and $350 for a street tune. 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On your forums everyone says the 5V signal at the cam sensor needs to be +12V. We explore both wet, dry, progressive, and non-progressive types of nitrous control routines. 2023 Holley Performance Products, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Find that at the bottom of this article. "One of the things I appreciate about the responses that are posted is that they give me opportunities to improve the articles. )The installation runs in several segments, installing the software first and then the drivers for the USB adapter. 8W{qDc>KE|!u"ZL!MC@0f:TY^HSc`E%Y2OKeZh&9l5p}av] 3dSDa* f.rS} Holley Terminator X Training Course Part 23: Idle Control Tuning walks you through how to tune idle control using the various different strategies within the Terminator X software. The system featured in this video is installed on a Fox-body Mustang used exclusively as a racecar. 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G (1) S (1) Get Results; Price Range . When running it runs super rich. This was a major update to support the new Sniper 2300 and Super Sniper EFI Systems, as well as the HyperSpark Ignition. 7. And while you might think this is expensive, hear us out. I updated my handheld firmware and that went smooth as always. Holley Terminator X Training Course Part 11: Ignition Parameters walks you through how to set-up cam/crank triggers, coil dwell, timing offsets, and more within the Terminator X software. Firmware upgrade is required." And unlike the GM ECU, these units offer a ton of them. Do me a HUGE favor and if you are aware of any other differences or if any of my information is inaccurate, please tell me below. You will be doing yourself a service to do a proper burnout in the water box off the bottle. *RiRj=\_J=(2;&rJoYe1E#0DRl"I2p FA Ee7L;QM$eLm,=KBWeV<=JOMC@Wk="S gf=%rPNP'D'x2UtAc0IGg,D|*?W0@NVM`6&_v<5fvV0W`N34{yUO~gaZS^Z8Hevj|e5POfWKjj"Sbj If youre building a pretty mild cruiser with a cam and headers and already have an ECU and harness, then the OEM unit might make the most sense. Capability Range: Moderate There is nothing "broken" in any of the versions of the software that have been released. The . Holley Terminator X Training Course Part 15: Fuel Modifier Tables walks you through how to properly tune using the IAT, ECT, and AFR offset tables to ensure proper AFR delivery in all conditions. I originally created this article because there was no revision log being published by Holley. Thanks. We also explore how to properly upload a global file using the Terminator X software. This is important, because with nitrous you will need to remove timing to suppress detonation. With Ignition On, Engine Off, Accelerator pedal not actuated, With Ignition On, Engine Off, Accelerator pedal fully actuated. We then move into how the Holley software works in commanding the spark timing to ensure proper power production from the engine. Very nice! When that completes just put your SD card back in place. Most import. https://www.underhoodservice.com/inside-throttle-wire/. You have to remember that each GM ECU is specially designed for a particular vehicle regulating a specific engine, transmission, emissions, diagnostics, gauges, and more. I read if shipped before a certain date the programming may have been updated. Free ground shipping regardless of order size! 7 0 obj Holley Terminator X Training Course Part 31: Flex Fuel Tuning walks you through how to integrate a flex fuel sensor to vary fuel, spark, and boost based on ethanol content within your fuel system. Use the handheld device to navigate to Files > Global Configs, find the configuration file that you just saved, and upload it to your ECU. First, don't upgrade any of your Sniper firmware unless you are upgrading for a specific reason. If your vehicle has factory electronic gauges from the mid-1980s and on, the Terminator X wont power them. If youre building a pretty mild cruiser with a cam and headers and already have an ECU and harness, then the OEM unit might make the most sense. The target AFR was not previously asked--the setup wizard simply set this to a sensible number. Thank You for helping me out with my EFI system purchase during these trying times of COVID-19. ~>Jpn!O&r(~xmM0#g9l}d%`]a]lsSEZ. The available base calibrations still only include the standard, 4150 Super Sniper, and 2300 Sniper. A gearhead for life, Brian is obsessed with all things fast. Thank you in advance. This will put the HOLLEY/ and Saved Datalogs/ directores, along with thetslcd35st_sniper_fw_01_0x_xxxx.fwu firmware update file right at the root directory of the SD card. Copyright 2022 Holley Performance Products, Inc. All right reserved. When i went to update the ECU firmware i kept getting a BAM error. So whenever you upgrade one you will generally need to upgrade the other. This page was generated at 07:50 PM. So, how hard is it to tune the Terminator X compared to the GM ECU? :-). This is why companies like Rances Mail Order Tuner exist. Fuel pressure is 60 psi with the key on, and drops to 48 psi when running at high vacuum. It'll also run at 66% TPS, but it's dumping fuel and generally runs bad. LS1 harness with front (5V) cam sensor. Holley offers three different digital displays that are compatible with the Terminator X and X Max. You can turm a piece of hardware into a worthless brick if you interrupt the firmware updating process before it is completed. Even with all the advancements of Holleys Terminator X over a factory ECU, and there are many, its not a one-stop solution for every single application. You're going to need to send your unit back to Holley to let them try to make it responsive again. In sincerely hope that this has been helpful. Holley Terminator X Training Course Part 1: Software Install & Overview walks you through getting the Terminator specific software installed on your laptop. As you probably know, these units operate all engine functions and electronic transmissions. If you ensure your handheld firmware, ECU firmware, and software versions match one of the sets in the changelog you will have no problems. endobj The factory GM computer will not do any of that. And Rance is right. I think i have one here for an ecotec if your stuck. Genuine GM throttle body or a knockoff with the GM numbers on it? Thanks, Roger ! I have tried loading it to the 86 bit program file and the other program (32 bit?). Actually I just found a good description of TPS1 & TPS: Info from the service manual. Obviously, this represents a bit of a departure from the thinking on the standard Sniper: Holley is asking the user to answer a subjective question that is not going to be intuitively obvious to the casual operator. Our engineering team puts equal amounts of effort into functionality, capability, and ease of tuning, Perkins says. The HP and Dominator ECU's have had this forever. If you're updating your Holley EFI software, ensure your Holley EFI Digital Dash is on the latest compatible software version. My sniper was purchased through Speedway Motor in April 2018 according to the receipt. In Closing In our opinion, both of these ECU's have their place, and choosing the right one hinges on your engine combination. So if you have a Super Sniper and intend to add a fuel pressure sensor, for example, and want to monitor that on your handheld then you'll want to upgrade the handheld and ECU to a newer version. 3. I was like ooops! Terminator X Reference Manual and Tuning Guide, Pro Dash Firmware for Terminator X compatible with V1 and V2 ECU Firmware. Early versions of the software were more forgiving of firmware/software version mis-matches but once version 1.1 Build 3 was released it, too, required ECU firmware 1.1.6 or later.
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